Best of Siege PvP General (9/13 update)

9/13/2021 – Added generals that are now available in relics in “pay no money” section.
8/8/2021 – Changed the assumptions of the “pay no money” case / Changed all generals’ stats when using Lv4 skillbook / Added a lot of generals if you pay no money / Added ranking when reinforcements
8/5/2021 – added Ramesses II

The following rankings are based on my personal opinion when the troop formation is specialized in siege machine.

Stats Format : Leadership / Attack / Defense / Politics

A) If you pay no money

  • Assumptions
    • General – Only generals available in the Tavern / Great General Chest / Relics.
    • Specialty – Only the 3 left are considered. (Reference: Specialty Guide)

Overall Rating – In case of no payment, Ulysses S. Grant is recommended.

1. Ulysses S. Grant

  • Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +30%  (requires Dragon from Pasture)
  • Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+20%, Defense+10%, Mounted Attack +10% (when attaking), Ground Attack +10% (when attacking), March Size +6%
  • Base Stats – 114 / 120 / 115 / 100
  • Stats Increases – 8.79 / 8.80 / 8.95 / 8.25

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +75% (add)
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +18% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – If a pasture dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -15% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.

2. Suleiman the Magnificent

  • Skill – Siege & Ranged Attack +15%, Enemy Troop Defense -10%
  • Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+20%, Defense+10%, Enemy Troop Defense -10%+6%
  • Base Stats – 112 / 109 / 107 / 108
  • Stats Increases – 8.73 / 8.37 / 8.62 / 8.82

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +60% (add)
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +12% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

3. Khalid

  • Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +20%
  • Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +30%, HP+20%, Defense+10%, Ranged Attack +10%
  • Base Stats – 114 / 112 / 109 / 113
  • Stats Increases – 9.35 / 8.55 / 8.19 / 8.45

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +75% (add) Note: can’t use Lv1-3
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +%12 (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – Khalid cannot use Lv1-3 of the siege attack skill book, so if you want to add siege attack Lv4, you cannot use the following techniques. The difficulty of getting the three skills you want is high. If you are not able to add Siege Attack Lv4, you will receive -25% from the above.
General Skill – How to add 3 Skills “You Want”

4. Sherman

  • Skill – Siege Attack +20%  (when attacking), Enemy wounded into death +5% (when attacking)
  • Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), HP+10%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attaking), March Size +6%, Enemy wounded into death +10% (when attacking)
  • Base Stats – 109 / 115 / 109 / 101
  • Stats Increases – 8.94 / 8.71 / 8.51 / 8.51

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +65% (add)
  • Siege HP +10%
  • Siege Defense +0%
  • March Size +18% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

5. Isabella I

  • Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +10%, March Size (requires Norway Ridge)
  • Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+10%, Ranged Attack +10%, Troop death into troop soul rate in the main city +10%
  • Base Stats – 115 / 112 / 113 / 120
  • Stats Increases – 8.86 / 8.27 / 8.28 / 9.15

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +55% (add)
  • Siege HP +10%
  • Siege Defense +0%
  • March Size +22% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

6. William Wallace

  • Skill – Siege Attack +20%, Enemy Ground Defense -20%
  • Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20%, HP+10%, Ranged Attack +10%, Enemy wounded into death +10% (when attacking)
  • Base Stats – 103 / 113 / 110 / 97
  • Stats Increases – 8.36 / 8.67 / 8.71 / 8.11

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +65% (add)
  • Siege HP +10%
  • Siege Defense +0%
  • March Size +12% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

7. Emperor Qin Shihuang

  • Skill – Siege Attack +35%
  • Specialties (ONLY 3) – Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), Defense +10%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attaking), March Size +6%, Troop death into troop soul rate in the main city +10%
  • Base Stats – 100 / 106 / 100 / 125
  • Stats Increases – 7.83 / 7.92 / 7.83 / 9.51

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +55% (can’t add)
  • Siege HP +25% (add)
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +18% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – The buffs are not bad overall, but the status increases are low.


B) If you pay a lot of money

  • Assumptions

The ranking is as follows.

Overall Rating – Ramses II is the best choice if you’re paying a lot of money. If you only care about Attack & March Size, Napoleon.

1. Ramesses II

  • Skill – Siege Attack +20%, Defense +20%, Ground HP +10%
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +60% (when attacking), HP+10%, Defense +20%, Ranged Attack +10%, Ground HP +30%
  • Base Stats – 113 / 111 / 106 / 112
  • Stats Increases – 8.75 / 8.79 / 8.56 / 8.75

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +105% (add)
  • Siege HP +10%
  • Siege Defense +40%
  • March Size +12% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

2. Matthias I

  • Skill – Ranged & Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), March Size +5% (when attacking)
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP +20%, Defense +10%, Ranged Attack +30%
  • Base Stats – 107 / 117 / 111 / 104
  • Stats Increases – 8.79 / 8.82 / 8.95 / 8.75

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +95% (add)
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +17% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

3. Ulysses S. Grant

  • Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +30%  (requires Dragon from Pasture)
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +46%, HP +20%, Defense +10%, Mounted Attack +36%, Ground Attack +10%, March Size Capacity +6%
  • Base Stats – 114 / 120 / 115 / 100
  • Stats Increases – 8.79 / 8.80 / 8.95 / 8.25

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +101% (add)
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +18% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – If a pasture dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -15% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.

4. Napoleon

  • Skill – All Troop Attack +10%  (when attacking), Siege Attack +20% (when attacking)
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +20% (when attacking), HP +10%, Ranged Attack +10% (when attacking), All Troop Attack +22% (when attacking), March Size Capacity +16%
  • Base Stats – 119 / 112 / 113 / 112
  • Stats Increases – 9.24 / 8.85 / 8.65 / 8.41

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +97% (add)
  • Siege HP +10%
  • Siege Defense +0%
  • March Size +28% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

NoteIf you focus only on attack and march size, he will be ranked 1st; if you include HP and defense, he will be ranked lower.

5. Khalid

  • Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +20%
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP+20%, Defense +10%, Mounted Attack +20%, Ranged Attack +10%
  • Base Stats – 114 / 112 / 109 / 113
  • Stats Increases – 9.35 / 8.55 / 8.19 / 8.45

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +95% (add) Note: can’t use Lv1-3
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +12% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – Khalid cannot use Lv1-3 of the siege attack skill book, so if you want to add siege attack Lv4, you cannot use the following techniques. The difficulty of getting the three skills you want is high. If you are not able to add Siege Attack Lv4, you will receive -25% from the above.
General Skill – How to add 3 Skills “You Want”

Note – If only the 3 left specialties are considered

Siege Attack

  1. Napoleon +81%
  2. Ramesses II +75%
  3. Ulysses S. Grant +75%
  4. Matthias I +75%
  5. Khalid +75%

Note – About the unranked generals

The following generals were excluded from the ranking because their siege attack is below +95% (even if they use skill book Lv4 and Maximize all 4 of Specialty).

  • William Wallace (+91%)
  • Sherman (+91%)
  • Suleiman the Magnificent (+86%)
  • Gustavus Adolphus (+86%)
  • Isabella I (+85%)
  • Emperor Qin Shihuang (+81%)
  • Gwanggaeto the Great (+71%)

Reinforcements ranking

When reinforcing an alliance member’s city, “when General is leading the army to attack” buff is disabled.
(See this article for details: Buff / Debuff – Basic Guide)

  • Assumptions – Same as for “pay a lot of money”

Overall Rating – For reinforcements, I recommend Ulysses S. Grant and Ramses II.

1. Ulysses S. Grant

  • Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +30%  (requires Dragon from Pasture)
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +46%, HP +20%, Defense +10%, Mounted Attack +36%, Ground Attack +10%, March Size Capacity +6%

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +101% (add)
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +18% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – If a pasture dragon cannot be assigned, the siege machine attack will be -15% from the above. Many people will probably assign Celtic Demon to a ranged general and Fafnir to a mounted general, so take that into consideration.

2. Ramesses II

  • Skill – Siege Attack +20%, Defense +20%, Ground HP +10%
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +30%, HP+10%, Defense +20%, Ranged Attack +10%, Ground HP +30%

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +75% (add)
  • Siege HP +10%
  • Siege Defense +40%
  • March Size +12% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

3. Matthias I

  • Skill – None
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP +20%, Defense +10%, Ranged Attack +30%

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +75% (add)
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +12% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

4. Khalid

  • Skill – Siege & Mounted Attack +20%
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +50%, HP+20%, Defense +10%, Mounted Attack +20%, Ranged Attack +10%

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +95% (add) Note: can’t use Lv1-3
  • Siege HP +20%
  • Siege Defense +10%
  • March Size +12% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – Khalid cannot use Lv1-3 of the siege attack skill book, so if you want to add siege attack Lv4, you cannot use the following techniques. The difficulty of getting the three skills you want is high. If you are not able to add Siege Attack Lv4, you will receive -25% from the above.
General Skill – How to add 3 Skills “You Want”

5. Napoleon

  • Skill – none
  • Specialties – Siege Attack +10%, HP +10%, March Size Capacity +16%

Example of adding a skillbook Lv4

  • Siege Attack +35% (add)
  • Siege HP +10%
  • Siege Defense +0%
  • March Size +28% (add)
  • Siege Range Bonus +200 (add)

Note – If only the 3 left specialties are considered

Siege Attack

  1. Ramesses II +75%
  2. Ulysses S. Grant +75% (if without Pasture Dragon +60%)
  3. Matthias I +75%
  4. Khalid +75% (if without Lv4 +50%)
  5. Napoleon +35%

Special Note – Napoleon’s Weaknesses

Napoleon perform significantly worse when they are not “attacking (marching)”, i.e., when they are reinforcements (alliance member’s city) or defense generals on wall.

If you are using them as your main general, some players may need to train a separate general for reinforcements.

Note – The following cases are no problem. Attack buffs (march buffs) are applied.

– When participating in a rally / starting a rally by yourself
– When sending reinforcements / defending / attacking an occupied building on the map (Portal, Temple, etc.)

Detailed explanation: Buff / Debuff – Basic Guide


Related – Other Recommended Generals

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Hallo, wie sieht es mit dem General Dimitri aus? er ist in general der sein buff für verstärkung hat

Anonymous

I couldn’t get Khalid to add the siege machine attack skill😢.

Thank you for such a detailed and easy to read article😄.
It’s very helpful to know about general and equipment creation!
I would be very happy if you could write about layered composition when you have free time.

Just for curiosity, is siege even worth building??
I ask because I have been told that range is best against other players, and mounted are best against bosses, but what are siege best for??
Thanks in advance!!

I think it is worth building.
I think the first area of strength is defensive battles.
It is not uncommon for big high-level players to build more siege weapons for defense than any other type of troops.

Siege machines tend to be strong against ranged troops and weak against mounted and ground troops.
(See this article for more info: Troop Type Guide: Usage & Characteristics (Mounted, Ground, Ranged, Siege))

If a player is an intermediate player or above, siege machines can be an effective counter since many players attack with ranged troops.
However, since the attack value is low, you will need to have a large number of units.
Buffs and debuffs are also important. Of course, if these are weak, you will lose.

It can also be used for attacking, but due to the limitation of the March size, it does not have enough firepower, and it is not uncommon for it to be ineffective when the enemy is a high-level big player.
However, if the enemy has a lot of low level troops, I have the impression that even a small number of siege machines can be useful.

I think the answer to P’s question below is also helpful, so please have a look at that too.

Hi, thank you for all the information, i learn a lot thanks to you.
I have a question, why people don’t use seige machine, but players usually prefer use archers or ground in PvP? I see many times that people prefer to use ground for kill ranged troops, instead of seige.
And i listen rumor that seige are stronger in defense than the offense, is it true?

The reason why many people use ranged troops is because many beginners in PvP use mounted troops.
Also, I think it is the most versatile troops in PvP because it can compete with other types of troops, though only if you increase the buffs enough. 🤔

People who use ground troops are advanced players, and it’s to take down range troops players like the ones mentioned above.
Siege machines are also strong against ranged troops, but tend to be weak against mounted and ground troops.
Ground troops can fight decently against three types of troops: ranged troops, ground troops, and siege machines, but siege machines can only fight two types: ranged troops and siege machines.
In other words, in terms of versatility, ground troops are better than siege machines.
I think this is one of the reasons why people prefer ground troops to siege machines. 🤔

Also, siege machines have a low attack value, so you need to have a large number of them to be able to effectively damage the enemy.
If you don’t have enough of them, the enemy will get close to you before you can destroy them, and you will be beaten.

The biggest obstacle in attack is the limitation of march size.
This is not the case in defense.

Therefore, rather than saying that
“siege machines are stronger in defense than in offense”,
it is more accurate to say that
“siege machines are better at making up for their weaknesses in defense than in offense”.

In other words.
In the case of attack, because of the upper limit of damage by March size, siege machines cannot play an active role depending on the enemy.
In the case of defense, since there is no upper limit of damage by march size, siege machines can be relatively active. (In fact, it can be the strongest type of troops that can deal heavy damage unilaterally.
I think we can say that. 🤔

(Note: The above is based on the assumption that you and the enemy have the same level of troops and buffs. If the enemy’s level is low, you can defeat many enemies even if your numbers are low.)

Related : Troop Type Guide: Usage & Characteristics (Mounted, Ground, Ranged, Siege)

Anonymous

What should I think about the extended range skill for siege machines?
Also, if I choose to extend the range, which of the other two skills should I choose?

So, I have one question… isn’t Matthias better than Grant if you don’t have a Pasture dragon available?

Anonymous

I’ve been waiting for your article on siege machines! Thank you very much!
Compared to attacking with ranged troops, the firepower is reduced, but I believe the range is wider = more attacks. However, in order to take advantage of the higher number of attacks, is it better to add a little bit of each level of mounted and ranged troops as well as ground troops to form a unit that can stop the opponent for as long as possible?

ぼにっこ

Thank you for everything.😊
We all in the alliance are watching this!
I don’t see many discussions on siege weapon generals, so this was very helpful!
I’m looking forward to your article on Battle of Chalons.🥰🥰

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